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Dr. Jean Clinton - How to understand what it really means when your child is not cooperating

This interview is part of How To Get Kids To Listen: Leading International Parenting Experts Reveal Their Best Secrets For Getting Kids To Cooperate, an ebook containing a collection of interviews I did with parenting experts from around the world.

I asked each expert one simple question: What is your best strategy for getting kids to listen and cooperate? and then listened as they shared their best parenting tips and advice.

How To Get Kids To Listen is available for free download here

In this interview with Dr. Jean Clinton, child psychologist and clinical professor of psychiatry and behavioral neurosciences, we talk about how to really understand what it means when your child is not cooperating.

Dr. Jean also shares strategies for how to build your child’s emotional competence.

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About Dr. Jean Clinton

Dr. Jean Clinton is a Clinical Professor, Department of Psychiatry and Behavioural Neurosciences at McMaster, division of Child Psychiatry. She is a member on the MindUP Scientific Advisory Board, as well as a MindUp for Families advisor.

Dr. Clinton was a Fellow of the Child Trauma Academy, as well as a Zero to Three Academy Fellow since 2013. Dr. Clinton was appointed as an education advisor to the Premier of Ontario and the Minister of Education 2014 - 2018.

She has been a consultant to children and youth mental health programs, child welfare, and primary care for over 30 years. Her special interest lies in brain development, and the crucial role relationships and connectedness play.

Dr. Clinton has also authored her first book, Love Builds Brains which can be ordered online through Tall Pines Press, on Amazon and in book stores everywhere.

You can find Dr. Jean’s book, Love Builds Brains, here.

What it really means when your child is not cooperating

Instead of focusing on getting your child to comply, Dr. Jean suggests placing the focus on building connection and relationship with your child.

Sue Meintjes: Thanks for joining us today. Can you tell us a bit more about yourself?

Dr. Jean Clinton: I’m an infant, child, and adolescent psychiatrist. I’ve been in practice for about 35 years. And I’ve focused very much in my work on the early years as a knowledge translator. So, I take the brain science and what we’re learning and translate it into accessible materials.

But more importantly, my husband and I have five children who are grown and seven grandchildren who are all six and under. So, I get to observe and live and love this whole time period.

Parenting and working with parents has been my life’s passion and work.

Sue Meintjes: What is your favorite technique or strategy that is really working well for you or your clients, to help kids listen and cooperate?

Dr. Jean Clinton: Well, I had the chance to have a conversation with my one daughter who’s got four children under four. And what was very interesting is she and I agreed that we don’t really focus on getting children to listen.

That implies compliance and obedience. And compliance and obedience are not really values that are as important as helping kids develop their emotional capacity and potential and self-regulation.

If you think that you’re wanting them to listen or be compliant, then you have a mindset that says, “I want to impose my way.”

That puts the stakes in a certain way. I’d rather help parents see that when kids are not listening or when they are not doing what we want them to do, that there has to be an examination, an observation of their behavior as well as a questioning of ours.

Are we hoping that they do what I want them to do or are we encouraging them through our relationship to do what’s the right thing? It starts from a place of respecting the child as competent and capable. Understanding that we are shepherding them. We are more like gardeners than carpenters.

It’s not that we want a particular outcome that’s fixed, but rather we want to be the nurturer, the creator of the condition so that thriving happens. So, back to your question. The most important thing is to observe and be respectful and build relationships and connections with kids.

How to prevent your own frustrations from driving your behavior

And instead, how to collaborate with your child by recognizing the value in both your agendas.

Sue Meintjes: Thanks. I really like that positive mindset. It sounds like it is more about walking away from your own frustrations in the moment, and thinking about how you can help your child, what they need right now?

Dr. Jean Clinton: Yeah. But also examining, “Where is my frustration coming from?” So, what is my image of my little one? You know, if I believe them to be fully right bearing individuals, then their agenda has as much value as my agenda, and our work together is getting to the point.

So, the technique is to observe and recognize your own frustration, but then to really dig in deep and say, well, “Where is my frustration coming from?”

I’ll give you an example. I’m Scottish Canadian. And one thing that would push my buttons when my kids were little, was if they were defiant.

I had to stop and say, well, “Where might that come from?” And, you know, I came from a very strict Scottish background and family, and we would never, ever have been defiant or pushed back in that way. So, it made me really examine well, “Hmm, you know,” there was a message around that, that said, “Do what I want you to do and I’ll love you.” And I’m not sure that that built the best emotional competence.

How to help build your child’s emotional competence and capacity by becoming a “stress detective”

Why your job as a parent is to be a “stress detective” and how to re-frame your child’s misbehavior as signs of physical or mental stress.

Sue Meintjes: I totally agree with that. You touched on helping kids develop their emotional capacity. What do you think parents should know about how to help kids develop their emotional capacity?

Dr. Jean Clinton: Right. Well, I think it’s a fabulous question, Sue, because I think what we know is that kids will do well if they can. The idea that kids do things to get us upset, I think, is a very wrong reframing of things. You know, in 35 years of child psychiatry, I’ve never met a kid who said, “I’m waking up this morning and screwing my life up.” They don’t do it. I believe that children will do well if they can, and all behavior has a reason and happens in a specific context.

And so, when a little one is becoming dysregulated it means that emotionally they’re under stress, or physically their body is saying, “I’m cold, I’m hungry.” And they don’t necessarily have the words. So, the emotional expression and the behavior that we see really comes from an underlying stress dysregulation.

Our job as parents is to be stress detectors.

As the little one is having a meltdown in the grocery store, the first thing we have to do is frame it and say, “This is stress. This is not misbehavior, this is stress. And I’m going to figure out what’s going on here. Are they hungry? Are they cold physically? Are they emotionally so tired and this is the wrong time to come grocery shopping?” Ding! Note to self, I’m not going to do it again.

Is it that I’m asking them to do too much? You can’t expect a two-year-old to do the same and be the same as a four-year-old.

So, I love to help families look at misbehavior as really coming from a stressor inside the child. The family then becomes stress detectives to figure out. “Oh, it’s 3:30. This is arsenic hours. This is when the kids really need a snack.”

I always, always want kids to be felt emotionally and that their behavior is telling me something, and I want to be the co-regulator who figures out what that is.

Why your love is a “super nutrient” for your child’s brain

Sue Meintjes: Thanks a lot for your insight! Is there anything else you think that is important for parents to know about this?

Dr. Jean Clinton: Yeah. Well, a lot of what I do, I’m informed by what we’ve learned about how the brain develops. And what we know about the brain is that relationships, loving our kids, is a super nutrient for the brain.

It’s far more important to focus on connecting with your kids before you correct them. When they feel felt by you, you know, that real sense of “I’m seen, I’m valued,” then that love is what builds brains.

But it is not just “Love, love, love. You can do whatever you like.” Not at all. We have great evidence from the research that kids need limits. Kids need boundaries. So, my mantra is, “be kind, be firm, be fair.”

And so that’s all about love. That’s all about helping them learn what’s in bounds and out of bounds in a loving, natural way.

The other thing I’d like parents to know is “It’s progress.” We’re not going for perfection, because I’ll tell you with five kids, it was always about progress because you get it with one kid and the next one is completely different.

You have to always be working on it. So “progress, not perfection.”

Action steps

Here are my action steps that I got from this interview. I hope you’ll find these useful as well:

  • Try to notice when you are forcing your image of what your child should be like on them, instead of helping to develop who they really are (think gardener instead of carpenter)
  • Next time you are frustrated with your child, try to notice it, and then think about where that frustration is really coming from – “why does this frustrate me so much?”
  • When your child is upset, emotional, or throwing a tantrum, try to become a “stress detective” and focus on understanding what is wrong with them, instead of trying to get them to calm down
  • Focus on connecting with your child before you try to correct them
  • You can find Dr. Jean’s book, Love Builds Brains, here.

This interview is part of How To Get Kids To Listen: Leading International Parenting Experts Reveal Their Best Secrets For Getting Kids To Cooperate, an ebook containing a collection of interviews I did with parenting experts from around the world.

I asked each expert one simple question: What is your best strategy for getting kids to listen and cooperate? and then listened as they shared their best parenting tips and advice.

How To Get Kids To Listen is available for free download here